the u.s. government is returning john walker to the states for trial.
what do you consider an appropriate punishment for his mis-deeds?.
i think, he should be[if found guilty]stipped of his citizenship and returned to somewhere in the mideast to spend the rest of his life,with no possibility to return to the u.s. for any reason.
One thing is certain, the administration will manipulate and extract as much political advantage as possible from this whole affair.
I think agendas have already sprung everywhere in government, in media coverage, and later on JWL will be approached by publishers for a book or novel, maybe a movie on DVD by next year?
the u.s. government is returning john walker to the states for trial.
what do you consider an appropriate punishment for his mis-deeds?.
i think, he should be[if found guilty]stipped of his citizenship and returned to somewhere in the mideast to spend the rest of his life,with no possibility to return to the u.s. for any reason.
I remember reading the "Secret War of Harry Frigg". Does that ring a bell with any former Army people who served in S.E. Asia in the late 60's and early 70's?
Also, remember how Jane Fonda visited Hanoi, collaborated with the NV government and was only tarred in the media.
I will go back and see what I can dig up.
sorry.... i'm chicken shit, ok?.
bwahahahahahaha...
Of course, one more thing....You shouldn't be angry or feel used/abused or taken advantage of in these matters. Why?
Well, we're told we all can't be pioneers or overseers, so we all contribute what we can to kingdom service. Just thought I would throw that in before any apologetics run wild.
sorry.... i'm chicken shit, ok?.
bwahahahahahaha...
What constitues a "bad" elder or overseer? In my opinion, the critera includes the following items;
1. Abusing the friends and taking unfair advantage of "unrighteous riches" such as borrowing and receiving "free" services because of spiritual appointment, like: free auto-repair, rent-free storage & apartments, borrowing tools, machinery, equipment & electronics, asking for gifts of money, etc.
2. Another criteria is criticizing and judging the personal sacrifice and hardwork involved in acquiring such services, while taking advantage of them. For example, giving hard-hitting talks about working overtime while borrowing things from people that work overtime. Or, criticizing the number of possessions in people's homes, while accepting the hospitality of people with finer things.
3. The "split-personality" syndrome is another criteria. When in need, these overseers will in fact establish contact with "inactive" ones, "less-active" or "moderately-active" ones just to make "use" of their unrighteous riches, and of course for "spiritual purposes".
Then, after contact is established, and the service is borrowed and transferred, they return to "keeping a safe spiritual distance" from such ones in the congregation and in public.
You have seen it before, the overseer who knows from the body of elder's comments that you are mostly inactive or only partially active (the submarine that surfaces at the memorial), but the overseer heard you have "nice things", a "nice home", "money", audio-visual or computer equipment they would like to use for a demonstration or an assembly part. Perhaps they want to borrow your truck to pick things up, or move things, or borrow your "nice new car". Then, you are a complete stranger at the meeting.
AND ABOVE ALL ELSE, PLEASE DO NOT FORGET THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE GOVERNING THESE SITUATIONS, YOU ARE TO KEEP THE TRANSACTION/BUSINESS QUIET!!! NEVER TELL THE FRIENDS THE OVERSEER IS USING YOUR RESOURCES!
I have edited the names for the protection of SIMON and to avoid litigation or legal consequences, respecting the wishes and sound advice from other members. Thank you all for bringing this to my attention as well.
the u.s. government is returning john walker to the states for trial.
what do you consider an appropriate punishment for his mis-deeds?.
i think, he should be[if found guilty]stipped of his citizenship and returned to somewhere in the mideast to spend the rest of his life,with no possibility to return to the u.s. for any reason.
An additional comment...
This may cause contention, but consider if JWL was black/hispanic/asian/arabic? Do you think this much consideration would be given, or this much attention?
What type of defense team, or who would compose the defense team? Would anyone or any organization rise to the occasion? Would Al Sharpton? What about Louis Farrakhan? What about Jesse Jackson?
What about the Arab-american anti-defamation league? What the United Latino-American Association? I notice the ACLU has not been visible in this case? Why?
This situation will set precedents for either injustice or punishment, either way. It will be interesting to say the least.
the u.s. government is returning john walker to the states for trial.
what do you consider an appropriate punishment for his mis-deeds?.
i think, he should be[if found guilty]stipped of his citizenship and returned to somewhere in the mideast to spend the rest of his life,with no possibility to return to the u.s. for any reason.
Here are my thoughts:
Is there solid documented proof that JWL brandished weapons against US Troops?
Is there proof he provided administrative support to the Taliban/Al Quaida in the recent past?
Is there proof he particpated in combat actions directed at US Troops?
If the only proof is the testimony of "hard-up" and "hard-ass" US Agents and troops, then more investigation is neeeded.
Yesterday, on NPR a report was given about JWL from his Islamic teacher at the Islamic school in which he studied and lived in while in Western Pakistan. Please click and read/listen for yourself by clicking on Lindh's Training at:
http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=1%2F24%2F2002&PrgID=2
Consider the above report, all of the other evidence, or lack thereof, and then wait for more information BEFORE passing sentence. He is a human being, he is someone's child, and he is INNOCENT, until PROVEN guilty.
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there are many of you out there that believes all jws protects child molesters.
i am a jw (for now) and i can tell you , i have never and never will protect a child molester.
i don't believe when i choose to live in society i will be a protecter of rapist or child molesters there either.
GetingOut:
I for one, admire your candor! You have quickly and precisely pin-pointed several trends that occur with "certain members" in this forum.
There is a remarkable effort to "piggyback" personal baggage onto serious issues and latch onto the "activist bandwagon". I see it every day, AND I too am guilty of this, I think.
However, I appreciate your frank open style, (though I disagree with your expletives) and you are honest, in my opinion. I hope you continue visiting and posting in this forum. We are all benefitted by new perspectives, new personalities, new ideas, AND to steal a few lyrics from an old song, "NEW DIMENSION, NEW COLOR, NEW VALUE"!
So, please keep pumping up the volume and go on with your bad self, preach on brother-man!
testimony of chairman alan greenspan.
the state of the economy.
before the committee on the budget, u.s. senate .
Although the last thing Fred Hall needs is any sort of validation or encouragement, I admire your lateral kudo. Perhaps, he will be stimulated, mentally.
Now, while it may be superficially true that Greenspan is in fact a political Cinderella caught between the administration and economic reality, the indicators possess merit. Since it is 5PM in Boston, as a good (typical) federal employee, I am exiting stage left. Tommorow, I will have some additional information that further supports the rebounding indicators, the futuristic approach to handling foreign economic meltdowns, and the like.
VALETE!
after many decades in the "truth", i found myself without a college.
degree and little money.. now, after walking away, my health is better - and i got a 2 yr. degree (so far) and a nice ira package.. folks, mae west was right: "i've been rich and i've been poor.
and i can tell you being rich is much better".
Fred Hall's diction and grammar obviously indicate, rather expose his thorough grasp and familiarity with ignorance. An ignorance of academic achievement.
It is unfortunate that he has not availed himself of the many opportunities in the United States to enhance his growth, experience,outlook, more importantly his thinking skills.
Where do minds sharpen themselves with other minds? Is it amongst a collective group of mutual admirers with judgmental tendencies, inflated egos and self-righteous behavior?
At least in an academic setting, free speech reigns and the challenge is to create new ideas and foster new thinking.
Fred Hall needs a personality, self-esteem, higher education and social skills. Life at Bethel is hardly comparable to dorm life on the east coast!
